English 3336 Restoration and Eighteenth Century Poetry and
Prose
Prompt # 53
27 February 2012
The questioning of Mrs. Veal
Responding to some questions
I had intended to sort these, to put similar or idential questions together,
but haven't had time, partly because I found myself pursuing some research
on the authorship question. What I'd like to do is give everybody a few
minutes to read through these and mark a few questions you think worth
talking about. If you think, yes, let's talk about it, put a mark in the
left-hand margin next to it.
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Why go through the trouble of crediting Mrs. Bargrave as
a credible source?
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What are fits? I've seen writing about this before- is it
just a sexist term to discredit women?
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Defoe tells this ghost story and tries to make the story
appear as a work of fiction. I am wondering if many 18th century writers
wrote about ghosts or supernatural forces like Defoe? Was this type of
writing popular in the 18th century, or was Defoe one of the first to write
ghost stories?
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I wonder what reaction Defoe's audience would have had? It
seems like the majority of people would have strong religious beliefs,
so reading this ghost story must have been shocking/exciting for them,
especially when considering the ideas of morality and faith in the work.
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To my understanding, well actually I’m guessing, there weren’t
many writings like this one in the 18th Century. I am wondering if Defoe
was purposely trying to create a whole new genre, a new reading topic for
the people. What audience was he trying to communicate this to? It seems
to make sense; I mean even if the “ghostly story” offended the religious
it wouldn’t have stopped him—Defoe didn’t seem to care much about his reputation.
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What exactly was Drelincourt’s book? Is there a purpose for
Defoe’s reference to it?
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I read that the Apparition of Mrs. Veal was a story that
had been written about previously, and published in news papers before
Defoe had written it. I'm wondering if his work became famous because it
reads more like a story, and isn't simply a re-telling of the events.
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Did the story actually happen? The accounts were published
in newspapers, but did Mrs. Bargrave actually see her dead friends ghost?
Or was the original story also a fake?
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I have already addressed many questions on this work in previous
posts and in class. There is one that I have yet to explore and that is
the question of style and standards of writing. Defoe uses many run-on
sentences and improper contractions and I would like to know why he would
do this and if there was any sort of editing process at this time.
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What stuck out to me was that the speaker was clearly a character,
I don't think it is actually Defoe because he goes on a lengthy explanation
trying to legitimize his friend Mrs.Bargrave. So, why would Defoe write
this?! What is the purpose of this story? It can't be to merely write a
little "ghost story"and publish it. In fact, I dont even find it to be
that great of a ghost story, its pretty commonplace.
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There is a scholarly article out there that suggests Defoe
didn't write this at all. Did he, or not? I also read that there is a theory
that Drelincourt's Consolations Against the Fears of Death has a lot of
meaning in this story (as in, maybe Defoe wrote this simply to market that
book).
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Essentially my question is: Why would Defoe write this?
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There are many parts in the short story that are very detailed
and specific. An example would be, “Mrs. Veal complied with, till their
lips almost touched, and then Mrs. Veal drew her hand across her own eyes,
and said, “I am not very well,” and so waived it” (Defoe, 2). This visual
imagery is a great technique Defoe uses but it makes me wonder if the story
is based on actual events?
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what is the purpose of the story? Why/how would Defoe
have thought to write about this story?
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I’m wondering if instead of wondering how factual (or to
which extent) this story is "true," if it wouldn't be more helpful to wonder
how sincere narrator is? (What I really mean behind the word “sincere,”
is both how plausible the story sounds to a reader, but also how a reader
reacts to not having clear genre guidelines laid-out by the author. And
subsequently, what effect this has on the reader’s perception of the story.
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This story fits nicely in the same category as A Journal
of the Plague Year but not so much with anything else we've read by Defoe.
He seems to like to jump around between fiction and non fiction. It's rather
annoying and confusing since the class is supposed to be about non-fiction.
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As far as questions that I have I'd really like to know if
this is a short story, or a work of non-fiction? Is it written as an account
from a woman whom has really had an encounter of this kind?
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Were the texts that Mrs. Veal requested to read famous or
widely discussed texts. Defoe is being very specific with what they read,
and some quotes from the texts so what exactly is his motive?
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We briefly discussed that Defoe was not the first person
to publish this story. Thus, if it were possible to find another edition
of this story what are some of the differences between the two? Did he
mostly copy the former story? or did he also alter it in some way?
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I was wondering who is narrating the story and how close
they are to the main character?
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What were Defoe's motives behind writing this story?
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I am wondering if it would be at all valuable to read this
through a feminist lens? I notice there is much commentary on the "quality"
of the men in this story, that is, they are barbarous, mean, unsupportive
etc. Is this a commentary on the subordination of women back in the day
or is it just merely a footnote, sort of a subtle detail about the men
that was put in for an arbitrary purpose?
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Mrs Veal also gives an account of "Ascetick" and then talks
about how that story had a strong Christian undertone, but that it was
nothing like her day and age which had vain conversation and a lack of
values. I am wondering if this is commentary on a lack of morals or an
overall shitty society during Defoe's time? Something worth looking into
for sure.
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“This thing has very much affected me. and I am as well satisfied,
as I am of the best-grounded matter of fact. And why we should dispute
matter of fact, because we cannot solve things of which we can have no
certain or demonstrative notions, seems strange to me. Mrs. Bargrave's
authority and sincerity alone, would have been undoubted in any other case.”
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I like this passage, because it seems to offer some clarity
on Defoe's religious stance (that was ambiguous in Journal of the Plague
Year). In the Journal, there were times when the narrator seemed religiously
devout, while at other times, he seemed skeptical of religion's dominance.
In my opinion, this passage defends Defoe's religious beliefs, in that
he sees room for a Supernatural presence, that can't be ruled out of consideration,
at a time when there was much doubt about such things.
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I think we should consider the role of Charles Drelincourt
and his work Christian Defense Against the Fear of Death as it seems to
be a great inspiration on Defoe for The Apparition of Mrs Veal being published.
I think it would be worth looking at Protestant writers of the time (such
as Drelincourt), and see if there was somewhat of a Catholic vs Protestant
writing trend (similar to the Astrology/Religion feuds of Partridge and
Swift perhaps?) Just a speculation...
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In The Apparition, is Defoe writing against scientific skepticism
of religion? Or against Catholic traditions, opposing Protestant notions
of the human's position relative to the Supernatural?
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I found that the story was told with a bit of a spooky air
- more like an around-the-campfire, tongue-in-cheek kinds. Not that I felt
that the author didn't believe the story - I can't really decide if he
did or not - but it did feel like he had fun with it. He talks about this
encounter being proof of an afterlife, and of a God who will give out justice
to the wicked and bring glory to the faithful. What was so bad about Mrs
Veal then, that she deserved to be stuck as an apparition, in a kind of
purgatory? She said she was going on a journey, so does that mean she had
a few days' wait before moving on ho heaven? Why? It's the only explanation
I can come up with, because the author says several Times that "she was
a very pious woman".
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Also, she is described as a maiden gentlewoman, but
referred to as "MRS" Veal. I don't really understand that one either. But
it's just a minor detail I suppose
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I also couldn't help but laugh out loud when Mrs Veal gave
her opinion on "Drelincourt's book of death" - of course he couldn't resist
throwing that in. I also found it funny when her friend reassures her by
saying "You look as well as I ever knew you" - it felt like another tongue
in cheek moment thrown in by the author. From these discussions, I realize
that she is much more than just an apparition - they downright had
afternoon tea together! She wasn't a ghost who was seen and then gone,
she literally was there for several hours.
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I'm also curous what the superstition was at the time- why
did Mrs Veal try so hard to avoid 'saluting' (kissing) her friend goodbye?
Am I right in assuming that it would have been a death omen?
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What was her condition? “In this house, on the eighth of
September, one thousand seven hundred and five, she was sitting alone in
the forenoon, thinking over her unfortunate life, and arguing herself into
a due resignation to Providence, though her condition seemed hard”
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Does she have an accent? “Why," says Mrs. Bargrave, "it is
much better, methinks, to do it yourself.’”
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